Finally a good episode. Not great, but at least with less BS. Obviously this episode was centered in Katee Dackhoff's character, what was a great idea. But besides that, it was the first time I saw some improvement in the story.
17 Reviews
Saved by the soundtrack
tro-7626027 July 2019
Was half asleep watching episode 4 when Katie went into her dream sequence the haunting tune wiseblood woke me up and put me in the right vibe to get into the meaning of the guilt ridden dream when I researched the song was amazed I didn't remember it from another excellent soundtrack Beautiful Boy
Seen it all before.
girliefingers29 July 2019
Warning: Spoilers
I'm sorry but there hasn't been a single original moment in this series. This episode sums it up really. How many times have we seen characters trapped in dreams within dreams before? Worst episode so far. Katee makes it watchable... Just.
It's filler
phrandsen27 July 2019
Worst episode yet
molvich29 July 2019
The worst episode yet of a truly terrible show.
I suppose the point of it was to bring in some more of the Captain's agonizing back story but nothing about it works.
At least the last fifteen seconds were interesting, which is more than I can say for the rest of it.
I suppose the point of it was to bring in some more of the Captain's agonizing back story but nothing about it works.
At least the last fifteen seconds were interesting, which is more than I can say for the rest of it.
Make peace with the past
Hillius3 August 2019
Warning: Spoilers
What the heck. The crew are in danger and battling an unknown baddie, none of this going on last episode. This has been done quite a few times with varying rates of success, and it clearly indicates not is all as it seems.
Come to find out poor Niko is under in Soma, trapped within her own dreams and memories. Of course it is mortal danger to simply wake her up, but if she stays too long it could be even worse. Seen this quite a few times before as well. Sometimes it works well to fill in character back story in what used to be a unique way, but personally I think the best show for providing character back story I've seen in recent times has been Orange is the New Black. You learn about everybody eventually.
All the other crew are meanwhile awake and doing their usual bang-up up jobs at being wonderfully mediocre. Zane strikes me as a good representation of modern medicine. Not very informed, not very knowledgeable or capable. Take away technology and most are about useless. There have been more than enough good examples of sci fi doctors over the years that this shouldn't be problem.
My favorite, Michelle has apparently never gotten up on the right side of the bed ever. Couldn't Zane at least drug her up so she'd at least be half way pleasant or a change? Ugh, her mouth is tiring. The others go about in their one dimensional roles as expected, completely filled with self love, self interest, self preservation. True to life.
The one exception I'd like to make is for Hudson who we meet in this installment. Played here by the excellent Louis Changchien, I would rather have had him be any member of the Solare crew than any other member. At least he looks and acts like he might actually be qualified to be in space. I do like that Javier & August try to give their predicament a good human touch & Cass seems to be really trying here.
I can't be alone here when I say that in every other show I've seen that concerns space the general consensus is that it is really really cold. Actual astronauts would also add that it "tastes" like hot metal or bad BBQ. None of the men seem dressed down but a few ladies are looking like they just go out of hot yoga. Just noting, not actually complaining here, but the skin seems better suited to a sword and sandals feature than actual sci fi.
Overall, I disagree with the reviewer who said this episode was "filler". No, this was the first since the pilot that I felt actually gave me something substantial to chew on. Guilt and grief resolution, excellent material for anyone who has ever suffered long-term trauma from a bad decision they once made, even if that decision was the best and perhaps only option at that time. Of course there are many things that could've been handled better. As sole commander onboard at the time, Niko was a bit harsh on Cass, but if there had been protocol prepared in advance rash decisions might be avoided. Obviously by now we can see that there really isn't a chain of command and that rules are more like "guidelines" there matey. Still this decision does look promising and bravo for making this episode actually make me want to see the next. Glad I gave this show another chance. I'm trying really hard to like this & they are making it kind of tough.
Come to find out poor Niko is under in Soma, trapped within her own dreams and memories. Of course it is mortal danger to simply wake her up, but if she stays too long it could be even worse. Seen this quite a few times before as well. Sometimes it works well to fill in character back story in what used to be a unique way, but personally I think the best show for providing character back story I've seen in recent times has been Orange is the New Black. You learn about everybody eventually.
All the other crew are meanwhile awake and doing their usual bang-up up jobs at being wonderfully mediocre. Zane strikes me as a good representation of modern medicine. Not very informed, not very knowledgeable or capable. Take away technology and most are about useless. There have been more than enough good examples of sci fi doctors over the years that this shouldn't be problem.
My favorite, Michelle has apparently never gotten up on the right side of the bed ever. Couldn't Zane at least drug her up so she'd at least be half way pleasant or a change? Ugh, her mouth is tiring. The others go about in their one dimensional roles as expected, completely filled with self love, self interest, self preservation. True to life.
The one exception I'd like to make is for Hudson who we meet in this installment. Played here by the excellent Louis Changchien, I would rather have had him be any member of the Solare crew than any other member. At least he looks and acts like he might actually be qualified to be in space. I do like that Javier & August try to give their predicament a good human touch & Cass seems to be really trying here.
I can't be alone here when I say that in every other show I've seen that concerns space the general consensus is that it is really really cold. Actual astronauts would also add that it "tastes" like hot metal or bad BBQ. None of the men seem dressed down but a few ladies are looking like they just go out of hot yoga. Just noting, not actually complaining here, but the skin seems better suited to a sword and sandals feature than actual sci fi.
Overall, I disagree with the reviewer who said this episode was "filler". No, this was the first since the pilot that I felt actually gave me something substantial to chew on. Guilt and grief resolution, excellent material for anyone who has ever suffered long-term trauma from a bad decision they once made, even if that decision was the best and perhaps only option at that time. Of course there are many things that could've been handled better. As sole commander onboard at the time, Niko was a bit harsh on Cass, but if there had been protocol prepared in advance rash decisions might be avoided. Obviously by now we can see that there really isn't a chain of command and that rules are more like "guidelines" there matey. Still this decision does look promising and bravo for making this episode actually make me want to see the next. Glad I gave this show another chance. I'm trying really hard to like this & they are making it kind of tough.
Just a boring memory trip
joymyr21 August 2019
Very interesting!
dreamingskychild27 May 2020
I really liked this episode. The plot is that a ship malfunction leaves Niko trapped in a state of REM sleep, where she dreams again and again about the worst day of her life. I won't say anything more than, it provides an opportunity to learn about the backstory of the main character Niko, and her relationship to it in present day. I found it very interesting and it moved me emotionally. There is substance in it. Other than this main plot for the episode, there is some more going on, with Niko under - Cass is next in charge, how will she handle the pressure? How will the young crew respond to all of this? People show will their attention lies.
Lazy Writing
jhg-1208323 August 2019
Agree that dream episode just 4 into the series is a poor choice.
bloopville1 September 2019
I do hope that the writing staff is absorbing the feedback. There is potential for a good show, here. I don't need to repeat all the criticism about unappealing characters who would never be selected for a quasi- military mission.
Dangerous missions are not populated by self- focused snarks. Age is not an excuse, as a platoon sized military unit is going to have about the same age profile as this group.
So, to this Episode, number 4.
There is no drama. We know it is Katee Sackoff's show, show we know that she will come out of her dream. So, what we have is an exploration over her guilt of her previous mission, using dream sequences that do not further the main story line.
Dream sequence stories are generally not relevant, because nothing in the dream has downstream consequences to the main story line.
Every leader who had made the life and death choice visits their previous choices, but. in history, hundreds of thousands of leaders, from Sergeants to Generals, have made these choices. They make their choices and accept the consequences. That is what makes them leaders.
In general, the audience has concluded that many of the characters in this show are not fit for the expedition. This seems to confirm that Nico, as well, isn't a true leader.
As the son of a military officer who often had to leave us for various missions, and being aware of the his responsibility and sense of duty at a young age, I can assure you that Nico's family's support system doesn't strike me as real, her guilt over decision is overwrought and the constant angst of the characters seems more to drive plat than to reflect the reality of a mission of this sort.
So, agreeing with most posters that a Dream Sequence show so early is a wast of an episode to try and make a compelling premise into a wathchable show.
Dangerous missions are not populated by self- focused snarks. Age is not an excuse, as a platoon sized military unit is going to have about the same age profile as this group.
So, to this Episode, number 4.
There is no drama. We know it is Katee Sackoff's show, show we know that she will come out of her dream. So, what we have is an exploration over her guilt of her previous mission, using dream sequences that do not further the main story line.
Dream sequence stories are generally not relevant, because nothing in the dream has downstream consequences to the main story line.
Every leader who had made the life and death choice visits their previous choices, but. in history, hundreds of thousands of leaders, from Sergeants to Generals, have made these choices. They make their choices and accept the consequences. That is what makes them leaders.
In general, the audience has concluded that many of the characters in this show are not fit for the expedition. This seems to confirm that Nico, as well, isn't a true leader.
As the son of a military officer who often had to leave us for various missions, and being aware of the his responsibility and sense of duty at a young age, I can assure you that Nico's family's support system doesn't strike me as real, her guilt over decision is overwrought and the constant angst of the characters seems more to drive plat than to reflect the reality of a mission of this sort.
So, agreeing with most posters that a Dream Sequence show so early is a wast of an episode to try and make a compelling premise into a wathchable show.
Why Am I Still Watching This?
nammage11 September 2019
Warning: Spoilers
I'm not really spoiling anything but I mark it anyway...
I loathe episodes like this. It has been done to death to the point it's beyond cliché. Every series of Star Trek (excluding perhaps the original, it's been awhile since I've seen the original series) has this cliché episode. Every series of Stargate has this episode; fantasy shows have this episode. Comic series have this episode and the only one I found tolerable was the one done for "Legion" and I'm not even a fan of that show. I stopped watching that show in the second season; it was so boring to watch but they did the premise of this overly-used-beyond-cliché trope very well. Props to them.
The previous episode was tolerable but then this episode just dropped me back to the first. And, while subsequent episodes put a light on why they made that episode like it is, it still doesn't change my view of it. When this episode opened up at first I was like, "Are they changing genres to horror now?" Of course the previous episode did have the 'Aliens" rip-off (instead of out of the chest it was out of the back of the neck) - I mean, how many films are they going to rip off? So far I got them ripping off "Pitch Black", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "Aliens", and "Sophie's Choice". Yes! "Sophie's Choice" - the doctor telling the story of an ancestor of his escaping Armenia and that ancestor leaving one her children behind to die - that's "Sophie's Choice". Loosely paraphrased but still...same difference. Now, it's an overdone TV episode written to death by so many TV shows in the past.
I hate this show. I keep watching for some reason. Reminds me of "The 100". Dislike that show, too, but I keep watching it. It's not the "it's so bad it's good" it's more like "it's so bad that it has the potential to be good but just won't be but I'll keep watching until I believe it could be." Whooo...that was a mouthful.
On to the next. Maybe it'll make me gouge out my eyes but I'll still have my ears.
I loathe episodes like this. It has been done to death to the point it's beyond cliché. Every series of Star Trek (excluding perhaps the original, it's been awhile since I've seen the original series) has this cliché episode. Every series of Stargate has this episode; fantasy shows have this episode. Comic series have this episode and the only one I found tolerable was the one done for "Legion" and I'm not even a fan of that show. I stopped watching that show in the second season; it was so boring to watch but they did the premise of this overly-used-beyond-cliché trope very well. Props to them.
The previous episode was tolerable but then this episode just dropped me back to the first. And, while subsequent episodes put a light on why they made that episode like it is, it still doesn't change my view of it. When this episode opened up at first I was like, "Are they changing genres to horror now?" Of course the previous episode did have the 'Aliens" rip-off (instead of out of the chest it was out of the back of the neck) - I mean, how many films are they going to rip off? So far I got them ripping off "Pitch Black", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "Aliens", and "Sophie's Choice". Yes! "Sophie's Choice" - the doctor telling the story of an ancestor of his escaping Armenia and that ancestor leaving one her children behind to die - that's "Sophie's Choice". Loosely paraphrased but still...same difference. Now, it's an overdone TV episode written to death by so many TV shows in the past.
I hate this show. I keep watching for some reason. Reminds me of "The 100". Dislike that show, too, but I keep watching it. It's not the "it's so bad it's good" it's more like "it's so bad that it has the potential to be good but just won't be but I'll keep watching until I believe it could be." Whooo...that was a mouthful.
On to the next. Maybe it'll make me gouge out my eyes but I'll still have my ears.
Trash
kenjiogyvara8 May 2021
Episode 4 brings this show crashing back down to Earth
jamesmarkcook16 September 2019
What a bore fest this episode was. The show was just starting to pick up the pace but then they drop this episode on us. The song at the end was the final nail in the coffin for this episode. That whole sequence was about twice as long as it needed to be and by the end it had completely lost my attention. Really bloody annoying song too that they just kept playing a few lines of on repeat.
When in doubt, stick in a dream episode.
iaingking10 May 2020
I've seen so many sci-fi shows, some good and some bad, this show I gave a chance to see if it could get better, it's not by the way.
So many options for a decent story, something fresh and new perhaps?
No they stick in a dream sequence episode, or is it a dream within a dream?, just an episode filler to be fair, when are we going to get some real action?
Woke, even while sleeping
stevecassell31 March 2021
Anybody going into space on a mission needs to be the best of the best of the best. Somehow this group that represents every segment of society were the best candidates. What are the odds? I suppose if we're suspending disbelief about a pretty normal looking spacecraft defying the speed of light, than why not random diversity? Despite this, I might actually hang in a bit longer. Not really sure why. Katee Sackhoff is easy on the eye, maybe that's enough.
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